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[ocdsux]

I am new to this forum. I am hoping to chat with people in the same situation. I am the only person in my life that I know of that has OCD and no one in my life is aware of it. I thought I was getting a handle on it then realized it was just showing up in other ways. I used to count but not anymore. I have an obsessive with procrastinating and being late. I have to do certain things or people will die, I have intrusive sexual thoughts of things that I do not find moral, swear words, sexual acts, situations that haven't taken place seem to get stuck in my mind. It really makes me ashamed and feel like I'm a pervert or bad person. It's not exactly something you can confide to your friends. I have social anxiety, depression, and anxiety. I worry things will happen and those situations play over and over and over in my mind. I just never met anyone with gross thoughts that never seemed to stop.

[DP]

welcome to the site ocdsux,
your not alone in having ocd and like you said some things we think about make us feel were really weird or abnormal. I know a few people with ocd,one counts how many footsteps it takes to cross the road and has to do so many or else! or else what i dont know but thats how they think. Someone else i know washes there hands and is really bad with doing that so many times or the germs just wont go away etc...
Have you been to see the doctor about it to seek help or therapy. Im sure that will help as it has so many others.
As for thinking sexual thoughts i do that every time i see shane from westlife
there might be groups in your area if you seek your doctors help. They should be able to send you for therapy and get the support you need.

[Montana]

Hi ocdsux
I also suffer from ocd. Pureobsessional thoughts. I just reciently had one that scared me and my family. Due to the problem my life is currenltly in an uproar. I feel as though everyone is against me. I have had the type of thoughts you have also. I understand how they can make you feel. But we have to remember, it's not me its the ocd. I would like to get to know you a bit better since we have this in common. I have one of these in the forum. If you would like you can read mine and write back. Godd luck to you and God bless
Montana

[maggiexuyaqin]

Dear ocdsux,
happy new year and really i hope you are fine now.
actually not only you are suffering these anxiety and panic symptoms ,actually there are millions of ocd victims in the world and in China there are 3million people (according to the official statistics )who is troubled by anxiety and panic, of them there are so many people are feeling near death, so it's not that horrible to have these anxiety and panic ,first of all pls calm down. secondly ,i suggest you to try oriental therapy which is approved to be efficient (using Buddhism idea, actually you needn't to be a buddhist ,lol), and i will post regularly some useful items to help you, but pls remember ,read them sentence by sentence to get some help from each word ,really it's useful, as one of my friend who suffered ocd for 13 years recovered by learning this , so you can just have a try , you can feel the efficiency and if you just think that the post is not enough ,you can go to the website :www.heixi.com, there are some good translated passages, if you think they are helpful you can contact me who can save you from these symptoms until you recover ( but actually needs 1 year to overcome it completely), if you want to trust me and give a chance to your own health, you can contact me through MSN :maggiexuyaqin@hotmail.com, or through phone: 0086-21-62321773
On the Essence of O.C.D.
by Mr. Hei xi


1

What is O.C.D?
Someone else already defined it: Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is an anxiety disorder, first and foremost. It is not a thought disorder. The essential features of OCD are recurrent unwanted obsessions that create an awareness of alarm or threat. Persons typically engage in some avoidance or escape response in reaction to the obsessive threat. Obsessions take the form of either a perceived threat of physical harm to oneself or others or, in some cases, more of a metaphysical or spiritual threat to oneself, or perhaps a deity.
Actually ! The essence of O.C.D. is that the subjective requirement disobeys the objective reality, and the inconsistency and refusal of subjective requirement to the objective reality.
As is known to all, the objective material world is always characterized by practice in accordance with the law of nature. In the very beginning period of O.C.D., it is a normal concept, will or action which anyone could possibly or accidentally have. But with the effect not only from interior environment but also from the exterior environment, (however, the interior is the leading factor), your inferiority complex and distrust grow as time goes by. In this way the subjective requirement disobeys and refuses the objective reality, including those reasonable concept, will and action
However, fact will never be changed according to your thoughts. It’s natural and understandable for a reasonable concept, will or action to occur in this c***umstances. And these concept, will or action are led by complicated situation you are in.The harder you are trying to resist the opinion by performing compulsion, the deeper you get involved in it. -- If you can understand this in the very beginning , you would never start to resist or refuse it .Then while the c***umstances change, as long as you are not in the exterior and interior pathogenic situation, the compulsion will fade away gradually.
Just as for your resistance and refusal towards this reasonable concept, will or action, you will stick to it ,and this persistent consolidation is the reason that the reasonable concept ,will or action live on.


2

So the essence of O.C.D. is that one’s refusal and negation of himself! Frankly speaking, it’s the extreme performance of self-inconfidence and self-denying.
In fact, all the mental suffering and pain originated from the feeling of self-denying and self-inconfidence . Repeated denying, refusal and resistance of yourself! The core is severe self- inconfidence (or self-denying).
On this ground, the essence of O.C.D. is one’s escape and slaughter of himself!
-------- lay down arms, and you will be a Buddha. ( this is quoted from Buddhism belief ,that means get rid of your resistance and your refusal , you will be recovered)


3
Acceptance of yourself!
--The everlasting sentence can be found in all the mysterious ancient oriental intelligence books and even all the ancient oriental traditional religion beliefs!
Yes, you never cherish yourself ! You can't put up with yourself even for one second.
So, you repel yourself right upon

[maggiexuyaqin]

Dear ocdsux,
happy new year and really i hope you are fine now.
actually not only you are suffering these anxiety and panic symptoms ,actually there are millions of ocd victims in the world and in China there are 3million people (according to the official statistics )who is troubled by anxiety and panic, of them there are so many people are feeling near death, so it's not that horrible to have these anxiety and panic ,first of all pls calm down. secondly ,i suggest you to try oriental therapy which is approved to be efficient (using Buddhism idea, actually you needn't to be a buddhist ,lol), and i will post regularly some useful items to help you, but pls remember ,read them sentence by sentence to get some help from each word ,really it's useful, as one of my friend who suffered ocd for 13 years recovered by learning this , so you can just have a try , you can feel the efficiency and if you just think that the post is not enough ,you can go to the website :www.heixi.com, there are some good translated passages, if you think they are helpful you can contact me who can save you from these symptoms until you recover ( but actually needs 1 year to overcome it completely), if you want to trust me and give a chance to your own health, you can contact me through MSN :maggiexuyaqin@hotmail.com, or through phone: 0086-21-62321773
On the Essence of O.C.D.
by Mr. Hei xi


1

What is O.C.D?
Someone else already defined it: Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is an anxiety disorder, first and foremost. It is not a thought disorder. The essential features of OCD are recurrent unwanted obsessions that create an awareness of alarm or threat. Persons typically engage in some avoidance or escape response in reaction to the obsessive threat. Obsessions take the form of either a perceived threat of physical harm to oneself or others or, in some cases, more of a metaphysical or spiritual threat to oneself, or perhaps a deity.
Actually ! The essence of O.C.D. is that the subjective requirement disobeys the objective reality, and the inconsistency and refusal of subjective requirement to the objective reality.
As is known to all, the objective material world is always characterized by practice in accordance with the law of nature. In the very beginning period of O.C.D., it is a normal concept, will or action which anyone could possibly or accidentally have. But with the effect not only from interior environment but also from the exterior environment, (however, the interior is the leading factor), your inferiority complex and distrust grow as time goes by. In this way the subjective requirement disobeys and refuses the objective reality, including those reasonable concept, will and action
However, fact will never be changed according to your thoughts. It’s natural and understandable for a reasonable concept, will or action to occur in this c***umstances. And these concept, will or action are led by complicated situation you are in.The harder you are trying to resist the opinion by performing compulsion, the deeper you get involved in it. -- If you can understand this in the very beginning , you would never start to resist or refuse it .Then while the c***umstances change, as long as you are not in the exterior and interior pathogenic situation, the compulsion will fade away gradually.
Just as for your resistance and refusal towards this reasonable concept, will or action, you will stick to it ,and this persistent consolidation is the reason that the reasonable concept ,will or action live on.


2

So the essence of O.C.D. is that one’s refusal and negation of himself! Frankly speaking, it’s the extreme performance of self-inconfidence and self-denying.
In fact, all the mental suffering and pain originated from the feeling of self-denying and self-inconfidence . Repeated denying, refusal and resistance of yourself! The core is severe self- inconfidence (or self-denying).
On this ground, the essence of O.C.D. is one’s escape and slaughter of himself!
-------- lay down arms, and you will be a Buddha. ( this is quoted from Buddhism belief ,that means get rid of your resistance and your refusal , you will be recovered)


3
Acceptance of yourself!
--The everlasting sentence can be found in all the mysterious ancient oriental intelligence books and even all the ancient oriental traditional religion beliefs!
Yes, you never cherish yourself ! You can't put up with yourself even for one second.
So, you repel yourself right upon your wake up every morning. You are looking for all kinds of means and methods, you look through thousands of the psychological books , you are exhausted and want to get rid of yourself! You even want to kill yourself in the real world but left a pure ideology. -- suppress yourself, and massacre yourself in every minute.
--you will never stop until you are extremely exhausted, you allow yourself to take a rest.
4

You hate yourself in the real world for a long time.
He is too bad! How can i like him? No, I can not.
It’s just like a floating gourd , I have no choice but to escape.
But I am unwilling to do it! Then ,after taking a breath ,you regain some strength, then you are immerged by the fierce battle immediately.-- The two forces are fighting in your mind. You spare no effort to push the floating broken gourd down into the water by your perseverance, in the hope of eventual success.—you are endeavoring but feel tired, anyway you are carrying on! Until you feel the exhaustion again, you lay down the resistance for seconds ,once again you find that it is floating !.... The more you hold the idea, the more you feel tired, but it can’t stop in any way!
Why do you have to control the idea?
What a deep inferiority complex!


5
Puti is the root of bothering . (Puti is a kind of tree originated in India, as the ancestor of Buddhism got final success under this tree ,so it is considered to be a hallowed tree in Buddhism ever after )


6
When could I get out of the c***le! What time could I walk out of this deep hole!
The compulsion is just like Newton’s action and reaction—where there is the oppression, where the counterattack will be.
So we should understand the oriental philosophy “real acceptanceâ€￾ not “superficial acceptanceâ€￾. For a real acceptance, the resistance will also be accepted; For a superficial acceptance, the acceptance could also be considered as resistance!
Superficial acceptance is meaningless, moreover ,it will be strengthened as time goes by, as your superficial acceptance is an extreme performance of interior resistance.

For example, conceit is not real self-confidence. It’s just superficial confidence, and actually it's an extreme performance of inferiority complex.

7
In order to explain my opinion on OCD more clearly, I used to post in the forum about my full understanding of oriental Buddhism--- now I just copy the following post from a forum, only for your reference and viewpoint exchange:

‘It seems that we don’t have an accurate comprehension about the ancient oriental philosophy “acceptanceâ€￾’.
--- 521 happy: “ I believe that we should not only accept completely the symptoms, but also you should show mercy, love ,sympathy, understanding to it, then it will fade away as soon as possible, but I can not utilize this method.
--- 521 happy: "In the oriental psychology, “acceptanceâ€￾ doesn’t mean any way , giving up is acceptance. Do not require yourself to accept whole-heartedly, let alone require yourself to show mercy, love ,sympathy, understanding to it which make it fade away----As your attitude is what I am talking about as superficial acceptance . As your acceptance is one method to show interior resistance ,not real oriental acceptance.
--consequently, superficial acceptance is resistance!
--“Ever since then you can feel lots of sufferingâ€￾, “…it's no use to accept the symptomsâ€￾. Only when we can get the essence out of the symptoms can solve this problem . So try not to be persistent on the symptom. So I think Wu ban zhu’s words contain Heixi's viewpoint too: to accept the thinking in your heart, that is, real acceptance.

--“Ever since then sufferingâ€￾, your understanding is after a mature practice. To many people who have no idea of Sen Tian treatment and they oppose the symptoms all time, it is good for them to accept the symptom.

--You said, "So there’s no need to persevere the symptoms so much." A real Buddhism acceptance is not only "no needâ€￾, but "not over". It's giving up bigotry thoroughly.

--"Hoho, Wu Di, no need to analyze." You should regard the nature with reverence.

O.C.D. is a perfect logical c***le.
Your endeavor is useless.
Your analysis is with perfect logic. Your analysis is really penetrating.
You are of wisdom.

-- Although you are penetrating, you should not neglect an important matter: You are still in the logical c***le.
The more thoroughly you analyze, the farther your target is.
---Laozi once said: “qichuniyuan, qizhinishaoâ€￾, which means the same thing.
--Buddha said: the evil wisdom.
That's why the wiser a man is, the deeper he gets into the problem, however, a farmer may easily understand the meaning of giving up.
In fact, jingangjing (an ancient lection) has concluded this “strange disorderâ€￾ for a thousand years.--- There are some lection to prove that. All the efforts you make create an illusion in reality, just like dew that disappears in no time. When you put down all the burdens in your heart, empty persistent will fade away. Thus your dream is waken up.
The Buddhism said, "Bitterness has no bounds, repent and the shore is at hand."
Yes, analysis is just like "the sea of bitterness". Bitterness has no bounds indeed. Where is the bank?
It's here--The Buddhism is not in other place, you are Buddha now.

To giving up to liberate the ration is as important as giving up to liberate desire and passion.
Life is the best medicine!
If you want to come out of the c***le, throw yourself into life and practice!


8
To those who have an obvious symptom for a long time, you should accept a special treatment. We must pull you out of the obsession. Like in the Chan sect (an old sect in Taoism) there is an expression “shout loudlyâ€￾ to wake the thinker.
It's too difficult to let the patients to break away the obsession on themselves. They can hardly get out of the nightmare if there’s no such thing like a well-arranged stimulation.

9
This priority complex is the lost-self-confidence.
The phobia and the nervousness are just because of your lost-self-confidence.--- This is the implication of the compulsion.
For the compulsion to give up thoroughly is just the admission thoroughly.--Only when do you resign yourself to the compulsion and lost-self-control thoroughly ,you can try your best to start a new life! You have the symptoms of the compulsion. the real Buddhist said ,the trouble is potty ---For the compulsion, potty is the symptoms in fact.


10
When all the thoughts are blasted, you can come to the Buddhism at once.---This is shijiamouni view.


11
To the patients with obstinately, sticking to a wrong course. admission, rejection, fitness, unfitness, analysis or no analysis, despair or confidence etc. You always run the rolls in the compulsion.
The Buddhism declaims that actually there is no compulsion , all troubles and worries are made by yourself.
Just do what you want!
--This is called pu ti ben wu shu.


12
Someone says you must despair thoroughly, or you can't recover your health.-- In fact you can recover your health if you haven't despaired thoroughly.--That's the state within meet but beyond demand.
A popular view point ,believes that you can get what you want from NLP and success and latent consciousness.
I clear it's with wisdom to the compulsion. The basic of control oppression. It can make into castles in the air only. In fact I just only to call attention to you all that some compulsion recovered their health with no despair. I have not refuted others views in fact. inaction or action is as if the light and the darkness. The compulsion is the same as the active life in philosophy.
When I learned the success scholarship, I always hope I could rebuild myself and win myself. Until one day I understand suddenly. I can't win myself .Never!-- Finally I understand I can defeat myself without a fight .--Yourself is just the doctrines of the ancients ages.--Though weakness. Laozi said: where there's a will, there's a way.
Yes, it’s impossible to submit oneself to the rule of the tougher strength.
Don't massacre yourself any more.
You'll go farther, whenever you studies.
Turn around yourself, no repression and love yourself.
Repent before it is too late and you are saved.
---It's meaning that the polluted water can clean after a quick wait.
No action ,no need to stir up. --Because the more pollute it is ,the more stir up..--Daode classics says, inaction only can action.


13
Heixi explains scientifically the most important question of the compulsion. So he copy one article.--in brief, the compulsion is not very complicated,
The compulsion is just the groundless worry .The patients worries themselves.--If you forget it , you'll be the half of recovering your health. --If you affirm that you haven't the symptoms already ,I can say you 'll recover your health basically
Heixi called this interactivity with tentatively mind and psychology temporarily.
If you profound faith in the obsession, you are the compulsion indeed.--You'll become worse, you'll regard the minds as the compulsion.
If you develop self-denying up to extreme. It's a black hole.
Don't believe appearing right and some great sermon.
Believe you and trust yourself are very important, This feeling is important much.-- Follow others is the worst error.--Repeat the worlds of others just like a parrot.
Firmly believe in yourself, and you can come out.--Firmly believe in that you can come out yourself ,and then you can recover your health
It's a simple principle.
MY RESPONSE
Or it is not the real self-confident. Just like building a high building in the sea bench.---The building stands on the loose ground.
You haven't owned the real life. You will feel very tired.
You can't lessen yourself in your mind.
Argue is no meaning. Practice is the sole criterion for testing truth.
After a year you can see ,
It is another knife.
Turn around you mind, face yourself, face squarely yourself.
After a while, you can lessen yourself, get a real harmonious.


My communion:

We have called each other, I haven't negated the others experience in fact.
That's not necessary to despair thoroughly .And you still can recovery in fact.
Inaction and action, just like light and dark, just like the compulsion and the life,---This is a simple philosophic theory.

My communion:

Yes ,many patients are too persevering. The blindness in action--They got the punishment.

Zhikong said,
Heixi, your theory is just like shentian's treatment. I suspect your treatment is effective or not!!!!!!

My communion:

Haha, zhikong, it is not my theory. It exist a few thousand ago in China in ancient.
Sentian's treatment should use for reference from the Buddhism I think.
Though shentian's treatment is good, it is the different from the ancient's ideas.；；
Are you serious to suspect Sentian's treatment Or to suspect the ancient ideas to treat the patients?

Shentian said the people should do the useful things. I think it's correct!

I think:

1. Forcing live.
. Especially to the serious the patients we should use the special way.
For example , we ever reported "a blow and a shout to waken one from error" in Buddhism . It aimed to pull out them from the state with the force.
It's too difficult to depend on themselves to pull it down. They can't wake from the state without the reasonable arrange.
It's obtains that lack the dynamics to do the useless things only. Unless adopted the special steps.
Need much dynamics ---or you will make a useless attempt.

2.Need much time and much quantity. Only the sustained quantity can lead to the qualitative change.
3. To do the physical labor is more than the mental labor, that is the best.
4.Only do they not resist to the symptoms and on the base of the nature, inaction, given-up.---This is very important.
5.To do the interesting thing. To do what you like is better.
....
Etc.

[dewey]

I suffer from OCD too. yes it does suck. I try my ass off to break the cycle of thoughts. its a battle everyday, but im still here. My OCD is with unwanted thoughts by the way.

stay well,

Dewey

[maggiexuyaqin]

I suffer from OCD too. yes it does suck. I try my ass off to break the cycle of thoughts. its a battle everyday, but im still here. My OCD is with unwanted thoughts by the way.

stay well,

Dewey

how long have you suffered OCD , is there something leading to your OCD , and what's your symptoms ? actually most of our clients are obssessed deeply by OCD in the very beginning , so firstly pls calm down and believe that you will be fine afterwards. i can tell you that actually the origion of OCD is caused by your own characteristic (perfectism, sturbbon, self concentration)and your living environment.so if i know more about you i can help you more.
And pls let me about your exact situation which can help me understand your exact situaiton and enable me to help you.
regards,
Maggie

[maggiexuyaqin]

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Maggie

[BrunoB]

Hello ocdsux and welcome to the forum,

Its bad to hear that someone else suffers from this condition , but it helps to know that your not alone and others are here to listen.
I've suffered from ocd for 20 years (15 of which were untreated), the obsessiveness, uncontrolled thoughts, the repeatitiveness. most of all the wasted time and energy that completes nothing.

This having been said, I recieved help from family and friends, as well as a good doctor who listened and did not judge.
The people on this forum and on chat are like a second family who listen and many have been through the same or worse.

Just my rant, anytime you need to talk theres always someone on chat including me. :blink:

Take care my new friend, feel better......BrunoB B)